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  1. my thoughts one - weight watchers is simply eating less (and eating good - fiber, veggies etc) and moving more - and it sounds like that is what you are doing.
    At that weight if you are working out a lot you might need more calories to lose weight. Try adding 200 calories a day for a week.
    Being stalled for two weeks isn't bad - you haven't gained. Be patient, sometimes it takes a bit of time for your body to catch up and then lose again.
    Low carb can work but not if you can't keep it up. But you can't keep up nutrisystem for ever either. Weight watchers I actually love.
    Have you talked with them about chaning your workout. I do mostly cardio and find that is what works for me for weight loss. Many here so no you have to lift more - either way just try something different.
    What do you eat now?

  2. "you might need more calories to lose weight" um, no. At this point, you might need to cut your calories back a bit more.
    Weight loss is simply eating less than you need a day to live. Adding more calories goes against this.
    My thought is that you might be getting more calories than you realize. Are you measuring and weighing your food? Are you keeping a food diary? Are you including drinks?

  3. Not necessarliy true.. THere is a point where you aren't eating enough to lose weight. And at 225lbs and 1500cals, that seems to low, which is probably why the sticking point.

  4. While tthat has become popular to say, there is zero scientific evidence backing the theory.
    In study after study, no instances have been found where reducing calories while keeping exercise and macronutrient balance the same, has ever result in weight gain.
    It is true that the body gets more efficient if you eat fewer calories regularly, but that only means the RATE of loss does not increase as quickly as you'd hope.
    If this person was 150 instead of 225, would 1500 be too low?
    At the same caloric input, the larger the person, the faster they'll lose weight. Also demonstrated, repeatedly, over time.
    Just become something is popular to say and is repeated often, does not make it true.

  5. You are way off base... "In study after study, no instances have been found where reducing calories while keeping exercise and macronutrient balance the same, has ever result in weight gain."
    -Who said anything about weight gain? There was no wieght gain, just a stall in weight lost. Also, there is plenty of evidence showing that reducing calories too to much of an extreme is not beneficial. Ever heard of the starvation? It has been scientifically proven that your bodies metabolism slows down and your body holds on to the calories if you aren't eating enough. It is called survival mode. If this wasn't the case, then anbody that wanted to lose weight would just eat fewer and fewer calories until they weren't eating any at all. Hell, why wait, just stop eating altogether.
    "If this person was 150 instead of 225, would 1500 be too low?"
    -So are you suggesting that a 225lbs persons caloric needs are the same as a 150lbs person? Of course 1500 caloreis wouldn't be too low for a 150lbs. But the more you weigh, the more calories you need to support that weight, even if your goals are weight loss.
    "Just become something is popular to say and is repeated often, does not make it true." -You make no sense w/ that comment.

  6. I just looked up how many calories the trainer is now suggesting I take in according to his recommendation.
    4 calories per gram of carb. 75g carbs = 300 calories
    4 calories per gram of protein. 150g=600 calories
    9 calories per gram of fat. 10g = 90 calories.
    So he is going to increase the intensity of my training and suggest I add an additional 15 minutes to my cardio all while I decrease my calories to 990 calories per day?
    I don't think he knows what the hell he is talking about.

  7. I agree.

  8. Does trainer have any training? I was going to a gym last year and I found out that the so-called "trainers" had no education at all. You need to find out what their educational background is. Not that schooling is the only way to know what they are talking about, because they could have spent a lot of time teaching themselves, which is okay. And, maybe he has a different idea of what you want out of your body. Try being more specific about what you want. Once my trainer realized that I wasn't looking for "bulk", he changed his recommendations, and I started seeing the results that I wanted.

  9. I don't think so... Until recently, I know that the standard recommendation was 1,000 calories. "Anybody can survive on 1,000 calories". I don't know all the other details that were written, but I know that was said over and over, and I know that it's pretty normal in some countries where people live a long time to eat that little.
    I found an online calculator a while back that allowed you to calcultate when your "survival" mode kicked in. For me it was 850 calories, and I'm 165 pounds.

  10. Not quite true.. While you could survive on 1,000 cals, doesn't mean you should try to survive on 1,000 cals. Also, don't put too much faith in those online calculators. You could probably find 10different ones that give you 10 different answers. Besides, 850cals for 165lbs person makes a little (not much) more sense than a 225lbs person on 990cal diet. Again, saying everyone can eat x amount of cals is ignorant considering we are different shapes and sizes and have various requirements.

  11. Agreed there is something handy called a BMR (basal metabolic rate). The Harris Benedict formula is the standard used in medical nutrition therapy in most hospitals and other medical facilites. a "survival calculator" sounds bunk.

  12. now that i dont b/p hardly at all and eat well i eat 1700-2400 calories a day. never thought i could eat that much and not gain weight [i weigh 165 and am 5'8"]. I eat frequently through the day and eat good healthy food. I think when you starve for long times and then b/p your metabolism is really slowed down. You can eat more than u think though if you do it right. Now having said that i want to lose 10 lbs but thats another story. I am not fat at this weight.

  13. so have you had your thyroid checked? Honest to god, I couldn't resist.
    10 grams of fat per day seems ridiculously low to me. You already know it's a deal-breaker, so why bother. Being stalled for a couple of weeks is normal. Focus on your long-term health, not the number on the scale. Trust me, it will be OK.

  14. Thyroid tests are not reliable The thyroid tests that are used in the medical field today are not reliable for diagnosing a problem. There is a test that one can do at home that involves taking your temperature before you get out of bed in the morning. As soon as you wake up, before getting out of bed, put a thermometer under your armpit and leave it there for at least 10 minutes. D0 this for three mornings in a row and take an average reading. The normal morning temp. should be between 97.8 and 98.2 degrees. If it is below 97.8 the thyroid is underactive. If it is above 98.2 the thyroid is overactive. This test measures the effects of thyroid hormone and is more reliable than measuring the hormone that may be in the bloodstream (but not getting to the cells that need it). I read this in a book recently.

  15. Seems a little off... Have you asked why they want a 225lbs individual to consume about 1090cals per day? Have you asked about adding more strength training into your workout?
    So here is the thing with diets. If you go low, you either want it to be low-carb or low-fat, but not both. BC now your body is going to go through gluconeogenesis and start using protein for fuel. That's not really ideal, bc you want the protein you consume to be used for muscle sparing/building purposes. While it might work for a few days, your body will quickly adjust and I see you losing more muscle than fat, which will lower your metabolism and make it harder to lose weight. I would recommmend you shoot for closer to 200g of protein and 75g of fat, along w/ your 75g of protein. That would put you at about 1785 for cals. Just my opinion.

  16. Hmm I understand what you are saying. I was concerned about the low fat because there are foods such as avocado that are naturally higher in fat. (3 oz has 12.5g of fat.
    My trainer said as of Monday he is going to "exhaust" my muscles which means harder strength training. I do circuit training 3 days per week with him with a combination of free weights, ab work and machine exercises. I have had workouts already with him where I felt like I was going to throw up. The rest of the week I do HIIT cardio training on treadmill uphill or elliptical machine. On the weekend I take a stretch yoga class.
    I weigh and measure all my food. I was tracking about 250 - 300 calories per main meal and about 100 calories for 3 snacks. So on average I take in about 1200 - 1400 calories. I've been worried that as we do heavier weights I'm going to lack the energy to sustain me through a workout. I often eat 1/2 cup oatmeal and a protein shake before a workout because I do it before dinner and three hours after my afternoon snack.
    I feel like I am doing everything right and I have been stalled for at least 3 weeks.

  17. it sounds like you are doing things right the only thing I could think is maybe less strength training and more cardio?
    But if you are really doing everything that you say you are doing, the weight out to be coming off.
    That sounds really frustrating.

  18. I think you have the right idea and your trainer is off his/her rocker. Your body requires a certain amount of energy to maintain itself, and if you aren't eating enough, it will find other ways of doing so. This usually will result in muscle loss, as your body will get rid of its most active tissue for energy. I don't see this as being productive in any sense of the matter.

  19. Frankly, if you know your workouts are going to be getting harder, I would stick to eating exactly the way you are now, and see if the increased workouts alone will bust you out of the plateau.
    I'm the same weight as you, and I can't imagine going down to around 1000 calories with that much working out.

  20. i have had this experience Believe it or not when this happened to me I ate a lot one day. Really healthy but 1800-2000 calories. When your body is used to low calories and it gets more your metabolism speeds up to deal with it and that kick starts the weight loss again. If you are working out a lot though you need more calories than that. I think your body is in starvation mode. You need to eat every 4 hours. When you eat it boosts your metabolism. If you do a hard workout for an hour thats at least 400 calories. If you eat 1200 calories really its like eating 800 calories and thats clearly not enough. I lost 60 pounds 10 years ago and have kept off 50. I eat around 1800-2200 calories a day to maintain and I am 50. I do workout. lately I think it is too often 2200 and hence the ten pound weight gain. To lose this weight I ate 1500 or so cal a day and excercised. So maintainance was not so different just around 300 more calories. I think maintainance is the hardest part because there is no weekly reward of the scale going down so it is easy to slip.

  21. For me, my weight loss is VERY cyclic. I have been doing this for a year, and from charting my weight, every single day, 7 days a week, with few exceptions, it is VERY CLEAR how this stuff works.
    They say it's average to loose 1-2 pounds per week. If you divide out my weight loss over the last year, it averages to somewhere close to a pound a week, BUT that's not how I lost it.
    My body will plateau and not loose anything- or go back in forth between a 2-4 pound range for a month. A WHOLE MONTH! Total torture in the begining. Just goes back and forth, new number every day. Then, at the end of the 4th week or begining of the 5th, all of a sudden I'll drop 4 or 5 pounds.
    It's bizarre, but it's how my body is working this. Maybe it has something to do with water rention, or my body creating a new "set point", but it is worth it to look back over your weight loss however long you've been working on this and see if there is a pattern. There is nothing wrong with plateauing, you just have to stick it out, hang in there, and think about the possible causes.
    Could be not enough calories- your body is hanging onto what your intaking because it's not enough, could be you have put on muscle, or are retaining water, or you need to consume less calories, or it could be that this is just the pattern to your body's weight loss!
    Hang in there and wait it out... it will start dropping again soon! Whatever you do- don't give up!

  22. stick with it stick with it,it could take up to a year or more.make it a life style.maybe your more burned out on the exercise than anything.take a brake from that but stay on the low carbs.
    dave

  23. Low carbs? I don't understand the theory about low carb diets. Carbs are our main source of energy. The problem is that most people eat the wrong kinds of carbs. Complex carbs, such as whole grains, beans, and vegetables are necessary to maintain health and energy. The fresher the food, the better it is. Avoid processed foods that come in frozen packages, boxes and cans. Even those so-called "diet" packages are designed to keep you buying them. After all, they need to make money, too. Protein and fat do provide some energy, but carbs are a higher quality of "fuel" to the body. High protein diets might be good for a time of weight training, but it is dangerous to make it a lifestyle. Go to Dr. Michael Colgan's website. He is Sylvester Stallone's former nutritionist. He has also worked with many U.S. Olympic athletes. According to him, there is a maximum amount of muscle that you can build in a certain amount of time, no matter how much protein or fat you eat. Too much protein overworks the kidney's and raises acid levels in the blood. Some studies indicate that high protein diets may increase the risk of bone loss over the long term.

  24. I agree!! I have read his book and he is all about the proper balance. he really knows his stuff. Check out people who weigh what they should naturally. They are not eating a high protein or fat diet they just eat smaller portions usually and not a lot of junk. I mean sometimes they have phenominal genetics but most people I know who weigh what they should are eating carbs. I don't know a single person who has gone on a high protein diet to lose weight that has kept it off..

  25. i don't know where i got this in my head - maybe from missnb - but i could have sworn that gym trainers aren't allowed to give diet recommendations because they aren't dieticians or nutritionists.
    i think you already know that exercising even more at your weight on that low of number of calories isn't a healthy approach, regardless of whether it results in some kind of drop on the scale.
    and i agree with everyone else that if you do feel that you are plateauing, going up in calorie amount by 200 or so a day isn't going to hurt anything, and it might help.
    aside from the actual amounts, do you feel like changing over to a protein heavy style of eating is something you would like to try? is it a departure from how you eat now?

  26. Don't bark too soon Chidame: That law is different in every state. Besides, if the person isn't charging them a fee, they can voice their opinion in ANY state.

  27. maybe you don't eat enough SOmetimes you need some extra calories to boost your metabolism.

  28. Nutrisystem Don't do Nutrisystem. It's really gross and you'll end up cheating.

  29. I know it is not your thyroid although it doesn't sound like you have as much to lose as most people, take a look at this: home.att.net/~paulacarlson/index.html You'll either relate or not.

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